diff --git a/core/Command/Config/Preset.php b/core/Command/Config/Preset.php
index b23f0378ff6..fc6c2d8abd9 100644
--- a/core/Command/Config/Preset.php
+++ b/core/Command/Config/Preset.php
@@ -44,10 +44,10 @@ class Preset extends Base {
 			$list = $this->presetManager->retrieveLexiconPreset();
 			if ($input->getOption('output') === 'plain') {
 				$table = new Table($output);
-				$table->setHeaders(['app', 'config key', 'value', ...array_map(static fn (ConfigLexiconPreset $p): string => $p->name, ConfigLexiconPreset::cases())]);
+				$table->setHeaders(['app', 'config', 'config key', 'value', ...array_map(static fn (ConfigLexiconPreset $p): string => $p->name, ConfigLexiconPreset::cases())]);
 				foreach ($list as $appId => $entries) {
 					foreach ($entries as $item) {
-						$table->addRow([$appId, $item['entry']['key'], '<comment>' . ($item['value'] ?? '') . '</comment>', ...($item['defaults'] ?? [])]);
+						$table->addRow([$appId, $item['config'], $item['entry']['key'], '<comment>' . ($item['value'] ?? '') . '</comment>', ...($item['defaults'] ?? [])]);
 					}
 				}
 				$table->render();
diff --git a/lib/private/AppConfig.php b/lib/private/AppConfig.php
index 77730e75895..269e27609b2 100644
--- a/lib/private/AppConfig.php
+++ b/lib/private/AppConfig.php
@@ -1232,6 +1232,7 @@ class AppConfig implements IAppConfig {
 	 *
 	 * @param bool $reload set to TRUE to refill cache instantly after clearing it
 	 *
+	 * @internal
 	 * @since 29.0.0
 	 */
 	public function clearCache(bool $reload = false): void {
diff --git a/lib/private/Config/PresetManager.php b/lib/private/Config/PresetManager.php
index 3034d1a0274..0e0bb07ed71 100644
--- a/lib/private/Config/PresetManager.php
+++ b/lib/private/Config/PresetManager.php
@@ -13,6 +13,7 @@ use OC\AppConfig;
 use OC\Installer;
 use OCP\App\AppPathNotFoundException;
 use OCP\App\IAppManager;
+use OCP\Config\IUserConfig;
 use OCP\Config\Lexicon\Preset;
 use OCP\Exceptions\AppConfigUnknownKeyException;
 use OCP\IAppConfig;
@@ -65,7 +66,7 @@ class PresetManager {
 	 *
 	 * **Warning** This method MUST be considered resource-needy!
 	 *
-	 * @return array<string, list<array{defaults: array{CLUB: null|string, FAMILY: null|string, LARGE: null|string, MEDIUM: null|string, NONE: null|string, PRIVATE: null|string, SCHOOL: null|string, SHARED: null|string, SMALL: null|string, UNIVERSITY: null|string}, entry: array{definition: string, deprecated: bool, key: string, lazy: bool, note: string, type: 'ARRAY'|'BOOL'|'FLOAT'|'INT'|'MIXED'|'STRING'}, value?: mixed}>>
+	 * @return array<string, list<array{config: string, defaults: array{CLUB: null|string, FAMILY: null|string, LARGE: null|string, MEDIUM: null|string, NONE: null|string, PRIVATE: null|string, SCHOOL: null|string, SHARED: null|string, SMALL: null|string, UNIVERSITY: null|string}, entry: array{definition: string, deprecated: bool, key: string, lazy: bool, note: string, type: 'ARRAY'|'BOOL'|'FLOAT'|'INT'|'MIXED'|'STRING'}, value?: mixed}>>
 	 */
 	public function retrieveLexiconPreset(?string $appId = null): array {
 		if ($appId === null) {
@@ -77,17 +78,41 @@ class PresetManager {
 			return $apps;
 		}
 
-		/** @var AppConfig|null $appConfig */
-		$appConfig = Server::get(IAppConfig::class);
-		$lexicon = $appConfig->getConfigDetailsFromLexicon($appId);
+		return [
+			$appId => array_merge(
+				$this->extractLexiconPresetFromConfigClass($appId, 'app', Server::get(IAppConfig::class)),
+				$this->extractLexiconPresetFromConfigClass($appId, 'user', Server::get(IUserConfig::class))
+			),
+		];
+	}
+
+	/**
+	 * @param string $appId
+	 *
+	 * @return list<array{config: string, defaults: array{CLUB: null|string, FAMILY: null|string, LARGE: null|string, MEDIUM: null|string, NONE: null|string, PRIVATE: null|string, SCHOOL: null|string, SHARED: null|string, SMALL: null|string, UNIVERSITY: null|string}, entry: array{definition: string, deprecated: bool, key: string, lazy: bool, note: string, type: 'ARRAY'|'BOOL'|'FLOAT'|'INT'|'MIXED'|'STRING'}, value?: mixed}>
+	 */
+	private function extractLexiconPresetFromConfigClass(
+		string $appId,
+		string $configType,
+		AppConfig|UserConfig $config,
+	): array {
 		$presets = [];
+		$lexicon = $config->getConfigDetailsFromLexicon($appId);
 		foreach ($lexicon['entries'] as $entry) {
 			$defaults = [];
 			foreach (Preset::cases() as $case) {
 				// for each case, we need to use a fresh IAppConfig with clear cache
 				// cloning to avoid conflict while emulating preset
-				$newConfig = clone $appConfig;
-				$newConfig->clearCache(); // needed to ignore cache and rebuild default
+				$newConfig = clone $config;
+				if ($newConfig instanceof AppConfig) {
+					// needed to ignore cache and rebuild default
+					$newConfig->clearCache();
+				}
+				if ($newConfig instanceof UserConfig) {
+					// in the case of IUserConfig, clear all users' cache
+					$newConfig->clearCacheAll();
+				}
+
 				$newLexicon = $newConfig->getLexiconEntry($appId, $entry->getKey());
 				$defaults[$case->name] = $newLexicon?->getDefault($case);
 			}
@@ -99,6 +124,7 @@ class PresetManager {
 			}
 
 			$details = [
+				'config' => $configType,
 				'entry' => [
 					'key' => $entry->getKey(),
 					'type' => $entry->getValueType()->name,
@@ -111,14 +137,17 @@ class PresetManager {
 			];
 
 			try {
-				$details['value'] = $appConfig->getDetails($appId, $entry->getKey())['value'];
+				// not interested if a users config value is already set
+				if ($config instanceof AppConfig) {
+					$details['value'] = $config->getDetails($appId, $entry->getKey())['value'];
+				}
 			} catch (AppConfigUnknownKeyException) {
 			}
 
 			$presets[] = $details;
 		}
 
-		return [$appId => $presets];
+		return $presets;
 	}
 
 	/**
diff --git a/lib/private/Config/UserConfig.php b/lib/private/Config/UserConfig.php
index 4ddad3ec2f2..3a78d91ee76 100644
--- a/lib/private/Config/UserConfig.php
+++ b/lib/private/Config/UserConfig.php
@@ -1999,8 +1999,7 @@ class UserConfig implements IUserConfig {
 	 * @param string $appId
 	 *
 	 * @return array{entries: array<string, Entry>, aliases: array<string, string>, strictness: Strictness}
-	 *@internal
-	 *
+	 * @internal
 	 */
 	public function getConfigDetailsFromLexicon(string $appId): array {
 		if (!array_key_exists($appId, $this->configLexiconDetails)) {
@@ -2024,7 +2023,13 @@ class UserConfig implements IUserConfig {
 		return $this->configLexiconDetails[$appId];
 	}
 
-	private function getLexiconEntry(string $appId, string $key): ?Entry {
+	/**
+	 * get Lexicon Entry using appId and config key entry
+	 *
+	 * @return Entry|null NULL if entry does not exist in user's Lexicon
+	 * @internal
+	 */
+	public function getLexiconEntry(string $appId, string $key): ?Entry {
 		return $this->getConfigDetailsFromLexicon($appId)['entries'][$key] ?? null;
 	}