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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:29:20 -0400 |
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Subject: Re: [HACKERS] PGXLOG variable worthwhile? |
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I wrote: |
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> scott.marlowe wrote: |
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>> I wouldn't assume that. It's been years since I tested it, but back |
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>> then, the command line and all program I used could see the link |
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>> created by ln that came with the resource kit. They were distinctly |
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>> different from the shortcut type of links, in that they seems |
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>> transparent like short cuts in unix generally are. |
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>> |
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>> Do you have the resource kit or the gnu utils from it? |
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> The situation appears to be this: |
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> 1. Soft links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) as Reparse Points via the |
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> DeviceIoControl() function for any application using the standard C |
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> library routines. |
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> 2. Soft links are available on any filesystem under 95/98/ME/NT4/2K/XP |
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> as OLE streams (.lnk files) for Shell-aware applications. |
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> 3. Hard links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) via the CreateHardLink() API. |
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<snip> |
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> 4. Hard links are available on NTFS (NT3.1/NT4) via the BackupWrite() |
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> API by writing a special stream to the NTFS. |
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I also believe (I could be wrong) that for directories, the only |
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two methods of links are the Soft link methods above. So PGXLOG |
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cannot use soft links on a non-XP/2K machine unless it is |
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"Shell-Aware". For example, in a cygwin bash command window: |
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mkdir dir1 |
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ln dir1 dir2 <- Error using Cygwin implementation |
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ln -s dir1 dir2 <- Creates a Shell short-cut (NT4) |
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echo "Hello" > dir1/test.txt |
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cat dir2/test.txt |
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"Hello" <- Cygwin's cat(bash?) is shell short-cut aware |
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Now, in a Windows NT command prompt: |
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notepad dir2\test.txt <- Notepad can't find file |
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notepad dir2.lnk <- Displays link contents |
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That means for a native port with a different PGXLOG directory |
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running on NT4, the only choice *using links* is to make the |
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native port shell short-cut aware. |
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I could be wrong but I don't think so. |
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Mike Mascari |
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mascarm@mascari.com |
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Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 13:00:55 -0400 |
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cc: Justin Clift <justin@postgresql.org>, |
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Dave Page |
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<dpage@vale-housing.co.uk>, |
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Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>, |
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PostgreSQL |
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scott.marlowe wrote: |
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> On Fri, 13 Sep 2002, Justin Clift wrote: |
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>>Would it be correct to say that the 'ln' command in the MS Resource Kit |
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>>creates this kind of shortcut too, as the Reparse Points feature doesn't |
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>>seem to be possible under NT4? |
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> I wouldn't assume that. It's been years since I tested it, but back then, |
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> the command line and all program I used could see the link created by ln |
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> that came with the resource kit. They were distinctly different from the |
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> shortcut type of links, in that they seems transparent like short cuts in |
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> unix generally are. |
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> |
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> Do you have the resource kit or the gnu utils from it? |
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The situation appears to be this: |
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1. Soft links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) as Reparse Points |
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via the DeviceIoControl() function for any application using the |
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standard C library routines. |
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2. Soft links are available on any filesystem under |
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95/98/ME/NT4/2K/XP as OLE streams (.lnk files) for Shell-aware |
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applications. |
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3. Hard links are available on NTFS 5 (2K/XP) via the |
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CreateHardLink() API. |
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See: |
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http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/base/createhardlink.asp |
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4. Hard links are available on NTFS (NT3.1/NT4) via the |
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BackupWrite() API by writing a special stream to the NTFS. |
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Example: |
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http://www.mvps.org/win32/ntfs/lnw.cpp |
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The cygwin implementation of link(): |
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http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/syscalls.cc?rev=1.149.2.23&content-type=text/x-cvsweb-markup&cvsroot=src |
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1. Will use CreateHardLink() if on 2K/XP |
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2. Will try to use the BackupWrite() method |
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3. Failing #2 will just copy the file |
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See how fun Microsoft makes things? |
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Mike Mascari |
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mascarm@mascari.com |
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