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Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> Hannu Krosing wrote:
>> What about
>>
>> DELETE relation_expr FROM relation_expr [ , table_ref [ , ... ] ]
>> [ WHERE bool_expr ]
>>
>> or
>>
>> DELETE relation_expr.* FROM relation_expr [ , table_ref [ , ... ] ]
>> [ WHERE bool_expr ]
> So make the initial FROM optional and allow the later FROM to be a list
> of relations? Seems kind of strange.
No, I think he's suggesting that one be able to pick out any element of
the FROM-list and say that that is the deletion target. I really don't
want to get into that (unless there is precedent in Oracle or
someplace); it seems way too confusing to me. It would also force us to
do error checking to eliminate cases that ought to just be syntactically
impossible: target table not present, target is a join or subselect
instead of a table, target is on wrong side of an outer join, etc.
[ and in another message ]
> The FROM ... FROM looks weird, and there is clearly confusion over the
> FROM t1, t2. I wish there was another option.
The only other thing that's come to mind is to use a different keyword
(ie, not FROM) for the list of auxiliary relations. WITH might work
from a simple readability point of view:
DELETE FROM target WITH other-tables WHERE ...
But we've already got FROM as the equivalent construct in UPDATE, so it
seems weird to use something else in DELETE.
regards, tom lane
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Tom,
> >> If so, what's their syntax?
>
> > MSSQL seems to guess what the user wants.
>
> Gack. Nothing like treating mindless syntax variations as a "feature"
> list...
I vote that we stick to a strick SQL92 interpretation, here.
1) It's standard
2) Strict syntax on DELETE statements is better.
Personally, I would *not* want the database to "guess what I want" in a delete
statement; it might guess wrong and there go my records ...
Heck, one of the things I need to research how to turn off in PostgreSQL is
the "Add missing FROM-clause" feature, which has tripped me up many times.
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> Tom,
>
> > >> If so, what's their syntax?
> >
> > > MSSQL seems to guess what the user wants.
> >
> > Gack. Nothing like treating mindless syntax variations as
> a "feature"
> > list...
>
> I vote that we stick to a strick SQL92 interpretation, here.
> 1) It's standard
> 2) Strict syntax on DELETE statements is better.
>
> Personally, I would *not* want the database to "guess what I
> want" in a delete
> statement; it might guess wrong and there go my records ...
>
> Heck, one of the things I need to research how to turn off in
> PostgreSQL is
> the "Add missing FROM-clause" feature, which has tripped me
> up many times.
Agree strongly.
I would be very annoyed at any database system that guesses about what I
might want. It might guess wrong and cause enormous damage. It does
not have to be an update or delete for this damage to occur. It could
be a report that financial decisions were based upon. If someone does
get the PostgreSQL group to alter incoming statements, surely this
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Hannu Krosing wrote:
> DELETE relation_expr FROM relation_expr [ , table_ref [ , ... ] ]
> [ WHERE bool_expr ]
This in some ways is similar to Oracle where the FROM is optional in a
DELETE (ie. DELETE foo WHERE ...). By omitting the first FROM, the
syntax ends up mirroring the UPDATE case:
DELETE foo FROM bar WHERE ...
UPDATE foo FROM bar WHERE ...
However I think the syntax should also support the first FROM as being
optional (even though it looks confusing):
DELETE FROM foo FROM bar WHERE ...
thanks,
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> Given the plethora of mutually incompatible interpretations that MSSQL
> evidently supports, though, I fear we can't use it as precedent for
> making any choices :-(.
>
> Can anyone check out other systems?
MySQL:
6.4.6 DELETE Syntax
DELETE [LOW_PRIORITY | QUICK] FROM table_name
[WHERE where_definition]
[ORDER BY ...]
[LIMIT rows]
or
DELETE [LOW_PRIORITY | QUICK] table_name[.*] [,table_name[.*] ...]
FROM table-references
[WHERE where_definition]
or
DELETE [LOW_PRIORITY | QUICK]
FROM table_name[.*], [table_name[.*] ...]
USING table-references
[WHERE where_definition]
DELETE deletes rows from table_name that satisfy the condition given by
where_definition, and returns the number of records deleted.
If you issue a DELETE with no WHERE clause, all rows are deleted. If you do
this in AUTOCOMMIT mode, this works as TRUNCATE. See section 6.4.7 TRUNCATE
Syntax. In MySQL 3.23, DELETE without a WHERE clause will return zero as the
number of affected records.
If you really want to know how many records are deleted when you are
deleting all rows, and are willing to suffer a speed penalty, you can use a
DELETE statement of this form:
mysql> DELETE FROM table_name WHERE 1>0;
Note that this is much slower than DELETE FROM table_name with no WHERE
clause, because it deletes rows one at a time.
If you specify the keyword LOW_PRIORITY, execution of the DELETE is delayed
until no other clients are reading from the table.
If you specify the word QUICK then the table handler will not merge index
leaves during delete, which may speed up certain kind of deletes.
In MyISAM tables, deleted records are maintained in a linked list and
subsequent INSERT operations reuse old record positions. To reclaim unused
space and reduce file-sizes, use the OPTIMIZE TABLE statement or the
myisamchk utility to reorganise tables. OPTIMIZE TABLE is easier, but
myisamchk is faster. See section 4.5.1 OPTIMIZE TABLE Syntax and section
4.4.6.10 Table Optimisation.
The first multi-table delete format is supported starting from MySQL 4.0.0.
The second multi-table delete format is supported starting from MySQL 4.0.2.
The idea is that only matching rows from the tables listed before the FROM
or before the USING clause are deleted. The effect is that you can delete
rows from many tables at the same time and also have additional tables that
are used for searching.
The .* after the table names is there just to be compatible with Access:
DELETE t1,t2 FROM t1,t2,t3 WHERE t1.id=t2.id AND t2.id=t3.id
or
DELETE FROM t1,t2 USING t1,t2,t3 WHERE t1.id=t2.id AND t2.id=t3.id
In the above case we delete matching rows just from tables t1 and t2.
ORDER BY and using multiple tables in the DELETE statement is supported in
MySQL 4.0.
If an ORDER BY clause is used, the rows will be deleted in that order. This
is really only useful in conjunction with LIMIT. For example:
DELETE FROM somelog
WHERE user = 'jcole'
ORDER BY timestamp
LIMIT 1
This will delete the oldest entry (by timestamp) where the row matches the
WHERE clause.
The MySQL-specific LIMIT rows option to DELETE tells the server the maximum
number of rows to be deleted before control is returned to the client. This
can be used to ensure that a specific DELETE command doesn't take too much
time. You can simply repeat the DELETE command until the number of affected
rows is less than the LIMIT value.
Chris
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On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 04:53, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Tom Lane wrote:
> > Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us> writes:
> > > Hannu Krosing wrote:
> > >> What about
> > >>
> > >> DELETE relation_expr FROM relation_expr [ , table_ref [ , ... ] ]
> > >> [ WHERE bool_expr ]
> > >>
> > >> or
> > >>
> > >> DELETE relation_expr.* FROM relation_expr [ , table_ref [ , ... ] ]
> > >> [ WHERE bool_expr ]
> >
> > > So make the initial FROM optional and allow the later FROM to be a list
> > > of relations? Seems kind of strange.
I was inspired by MS Access syntax that has optional relation_expr.* :
DELETE [relation_expr.*] FROM relation_expr WHERE criteria
it does not allow any other tablerefs in from
> Clearly this is a TODO item. I will document it when we decide on a
> direction.
Or then we can just stick with standard syntax and teach people to do
DELETE FROM t1 where t1.id1 in
(select id2 from t2 where t2.id2 = t1.id1)
and perhaps even teach our optimizer to add the t2.id2 = t1.id1 part
itself to make it fast
AFAIK this should be exactly the same as the proposed
DELETE FROM t1 FROM t2
WHERE t2.id2 = t1.id1
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